Subida de precios?

[Gustav XIII]

Hi Gustav, it's our pleasure to welcome you here!

Well, I really agree with your statement, however I am not sticking to your, let's say disappointment, that I feel it's spreading your words out. We must accept that market is market, thus it's quite obvious that more demand will trigger a significant price increase. Making it short, the first point you depicted it's the main cause of second and third situations. Customers promote seller's tyrant pacts, crazy and non-sense auctions. At the end, we (the SNK players and customers) are boosting this story up .

It's pretty ironic when I heard people talking about this like they might have nothing to do with this issue and believe me when I say that they're absolutely wrong. As a new SNK-fan if I'm accepting to pay 200 bugs for a KOF2000 I'm running towards the crowd, beig an active branch of this speculative market. We have created this snow-ball effect and it will last as long as we decide to stop it. 1500 bugs for a Metal Slug 1? no, please. But what's people saying? Oh, 1500 bugs it's a good price, I'd buy another one. C'mon guys.

Cheers

Thank you!

I think that saying customers is the root cause is true only to a certain extent. Here is an example: on eBay, there are some items listed at ridiculous price that nobody buys, but these "Buy it now" offers still have a negative impact even if no purchase occurs. They remain on eBay for months and they DO affect other auctions and sales.

First of all, there is the psychological contrast effect. For instance, there is currently a copy of Metal Slug X with a price of 5500 euros on eBay (from Spain ). This is ridiculously expensive, nobody will buy it at this price. But if there were a seller listing Metal Slug X for 2800 euros, it would seem almost reasonable compared to the 5500 euros price, even though 2800 would still be a rip-off!

Besides, some other sellers might use the price as a reference. Some stores and sellers have no idea about the value of some retro video games. They just connect to eBay and look at the prices there. I know some video games stores in Paris that set their price using eBay.

Some sellers also bid on their own auctions (or ask partners to do so) to make the bidding go higher.

In these two cases (the ridiculous price and the auto bidding), it has nothing to do with the customers.

[Neoedu]

metal slug x form spain? And from this comunity jajaja

[Sauron_Areces]

yeah dude, I'm siding with you on every single point. However, you should agree that at the end of the story the customer has the final shot. That's a matter of fact; if we don't buy and we ignore this crazy pricetags, the rates will drop off overtime, even though the stores are mimicking each other and the wallapop people selling stuff is trying to reach ebay craziness. That will not bother us. There's no auction, autobid or buy-it-know shitty price that will handle a massive not-acquiring decision. I mean, just stick into your own mindset value and everything will go fine.

For example I'm not into a 1.300 bugs Garou Mark of the Wolves, I'm not paying this no matter what. That's the main clue to stop this rising market and make'em stagger their goddam shitty and overpriced stuff. Ear to ear, that's my shot .

PS: It's funny to hear about the famous (I'd rather say infamous?) Metal Slug X. Perhaps you'll be finding the right answers soon

Cheers!

[Gustav XIII]

You are right when you say that customers have the last word. However a massive non-buying decision sounds like some kind of utopia

1300 euros for Mark of the Wolves would indeed be crazy. 800 to 900 euros would be a decent price (depending on the condition).

I will try to find out who that spanish seller is

EDIT: Ok, that was not too hard. I found him

http://www.culturaneogeo.com/foro/membe ... file&u=477

[VirtuaNEStor]

Thank you!

I think that saying customers is the root cause is true only to a certain extent. Here is an example: on eBay, there are some items listed at ridiculous price that nobody buys, but these "Buy it now" offers still have a negative impact even if no purchase occurs. They remain on eBay for months and they DO affect other auctions and sales.

First of all, there is the psychological contrast effect. For instance, there is currently a copy of Metal Slug X with a price of 5500 euros on eBay (from Spain ). This is ridiculously expensive, nobody will buy it at this price. But if there were a seller listing Metal Slug X for 2800 euros, it would seem almost reasonable compared to the 5500 euros price, even though 2800 would still be a rip-off!

Besides, some other sellers might use the price as a reference. Some stores and sellers have no idea about the value of some retro video games. They just connect to eBay and look at the prices there. I know some video games stores in Paris that set their price using eBay.

Some sellers also bid on their own auctions (or ask partners to do so) to make the bidding go higher.

In these two cases (the ridiculous price and the auto bidding), it has nothing to do with the customers.

My game, my price. When you will have one Metal Slug X you can sell for 200 € for anyone; better to one person of our forum. Or give like a present... But in this moment the game is mine... and my game...my price. It's ok for you?. And try not to cry for the prices of original 90s games... They are not basic products in your life. You can play thru emulators for free. If you have the caprice of 90's original neo geo games the best thing for you is to pay. A lot of people in the world can't afford basic products...and you are crying for the caprice of 90's original neo geo games. Are you serious???

Im not sure if the guilty of high prices are customers or sellers. But im very sure that the most guilty are the people who doesn't stop to cry like little childs for 90's original neo geo games and their prices.

And finally i will give your owned, for you and the rest of the forum. And yes, i rejected!!!! you know why??? because is my game. And my game... my price.

[akirasan]

Ahí has tenido demasiado suaj.

[Neoedu]

Respuesta chulesca de alguien que se ha picado mucho. Reacción de niño pequeño: es mi pelota y me marcho!!

Creo que vales más que eso...creo...

[SAKUREN]

Bienvenidos a Culturaneogeo, una página de habla hispana dedicada exclusivamente al sistema Neo Geo. En ella encontraréis información de todo tipo
relacionada con el sistema de SNK, así como un foro donde podréis encontrar gente aficionada a Neo Geo con la que podréis compartir vuestras experiencias.

[VirtuaNEStor]

Respuesta chulesca de alguien que se ha picado mucho. Reacción de niño pequeño: es mi pelota y me marcho!!

Creo que vales más que eso...creo...

Mas quisieras tu.

Es una respuesta de alguien a 2 o 3 irrespetuosos que no hacen mas que criticar ventas de compañeros del foro y que no tienen aun claro que cada uno vende SUS juegos al precio que le parece. Creo que ya somos mayorcitos, y mas en este mundillo, para aprender a respetar las ventas y compras de los demás. Por que macho; ya llevamos mas de una decada con los lloriqueos y las tonterias de las burbujas y la especulación... un discurso que en pleno 2016 está pasadisimo de moda y que ya casí nadie toma en cuenta.

Así que si la gente quiere juegos de los 90, en formato cartucho y mas viejos y raros que el cagar... pues a pagar, a soltar la gallina... que hace muy bien. Ya esta bien de caprichitos caros y tonterias. Es que me da la sensacion que no hay mas que niñitas pijas llorando por los precios de los pendientes de TOUS, como si fuese algo con lo que no pudiesen vivir.

Ahí has tenido demasiado suaj.

Ojala le llegase a las suelas al gran Lory Money.

[akirasan]

Bienvenidos a Culturaneogeo, una página de habla hispana dedicada exclusivamente al sistema Neo Geo. En ella encontraréis información de todo tipo
relacionada con el sistema de SNK, así como un foro donde podréis encontrar gente aficionada a Neo Geo con la que podréis compartir vuestras experiencias.

No nos convirtamos en neo-geo.com 2, por favor.

[Gustav XIII]

Bienvenidos a Culturaneogeo, una página de habla hispana dedicada exclusivamente al sistema Neo Geo. En ella encontraréis información de todo tipo
relacionada con el sistema de SNK, así como un foro donde podréis encontrar gente aficionada a Neo Geo con la que podréis compartir vuestras experiencias.

Gracias!

My game, my price. When you will have one Metal Slug X you can sell for 200 € for anyone; better to one person of our forum. Or give like a present... But in this moment the game is mine... and my game...my price. It's ok for you?. And try not to cry for the prices of original 90s games... They are not basic products in your life. You can play thru emulators for free. If you have the caprice of 90's original neo geo games the best thing for you is to pay. A lot of people in the world can't afford basic products...and you are crying for the caprice of 90's original neo geo games. Are you serious???

Im not sure if the guilty of high prices are customers or sellers. But im very sure that the most guilty are the people who doesn't stop to cry like little childs for 90's original neo geo games and their prices.

And finally i will give your owned, for you and the rest of the forum. And yes, i rejected!!!! you know why??? because is my game. And my game... my price.

There is absolutely no logic to what you are saying. Would you care to explain how people complaining about ridiculously expensive games contribute to make the prices increase? If anything, they curb that increase by not buying and by stating the truth.

Your only (weak) argument is "my game my price", that you repeated several times. Yes, this is your price and it is laughable. It is more than twice the average price. Plus, your instruction manual is a little bent, so this is not even a perfect copy. The only thing you did right was to open your cart to show it is genuine. If you want to completely ignore the market price, you should at least accept criticism.

FYI, one copy of Metal Slug X sold for 201 000 yens (that's 1700 euros) one month ago:

http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/a ... m162218087

There is also a copy available for immediate purchase for 350 000 yens (2960 euros). And this is very very expensive already:

http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k219102938

Your statement about 90s video games is wrong. There are still 80% of them that can be bought for less than 60 euros (RPG, most PC Engine games, most MegaDrive games...).

A lot of people in the world can't afford basic products...and you are crying for the caprice of 90's original neo geo games. Are you serious???

So basically, you are not allowed to complain about anything because a lot of people in the world can't afford basic products. "Yeah, I scammed a lot of people, sold games for three times the market values, and even stole from them, but they should just shup up, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORD CAN'T AFFORD BASIC PRODUCTS after all!"

According to your logic, you are allowed to rip off people for any product that are not commodities. This is some seriously flawed logic. The truth is, there is no way to justify your price, so it will eventually lead to flawed reasoning.

[Sauron_Areces]

Gustav, u should recognise that Virtuanestor has the point. One person is willing to pay 3k, thus this Metal Slug is becoming a 3K-tagged game. That's crazy for u and me and perhaps for a lot of people here, but that what market is saying right now, unfortunately.

Gustav, deberías reconocer que Virtuanestor tiene razón. Una persona quiere pagar 3000€, de manera que este Metal Slug se ha convertido en un juego de ese valor. Esto es una locura para ti, para mi y quizá para muchas personas de este foro, pero es lo que el mercado desgraciadamente está marcando ahora mismo.

Gracias señor por estos momentazos

[Neoedu]

Gustav, u should recognise that Virtuanestor has the point. One person is willing to pay 3k, thus this Metal Slug is becoming a 3K-tagged game. That's crazy for u and me and perhaps for a lot of people here, but that what market is saying right now, unfortunately.

Gustav, deberías reconocer que Virtuanestor tiene razón. Una persona quiere pagar 3000€, de manera que este Metal Slug se ha convertido en un juego de ese valor. Esto es una locura para ti, para mi y quizá para muchas personas de este foro, pero es lo que el mercado desgraciadamente está marcando ahora mismo.

Gracias señor por estos momentazos

Faltaría ver si el que ha ofrecido 3.000€ los acabaria pagando de verdad o solo quería provar a ver que pasaba

[VirtuaNEStor]

There is absolutely no logic to what you are saying. Would you care to explain how people complaining about ridiculously expensive games contribute to make the prices increase? If anything, they curb that increase by not buying and by stating the truth.

When you are crying about the prices you are saying to all the people that you DESIRE, you LOVE and you CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT these games. In one elitist world, like Neo Geo collecting, the buyers are spending a lot of money to have these things which millions of people are DESIRING. The only way to reduce the prices is don't take care about these games. The problem is that you are considering these games like basic products for your life, that's why you are crying and crying. For you, is not enough with the emulator... You NEEDS and DESIRE the original game. And this basic desire is the reason which explain why these games cost a lot of money, because the people can't stop to talk about them, can't stop to desire them, can't stop to convert them in a so important thing that gives the people the need for to sign in a foreing forum to cry about the prices.

Your only (weak) argument is "my game my price", that you repeated several times. Yes, this is your price and it is laughable.

Weak!?!?!?!. No my friend; is the best reason of all; MY GAME, MY PRICE. Laughable is how you cry about neo geo cartridges in 2016. wellcome to the reality; we are in 2016 and you can play these games for free in any place. collecting physical cartridges is a freak hobby that you don't need for nothing. And if you wanna freak, expensive and elitist things... put money on the table. If not, you can dance in the party but with emulators... the diamonds are for caprice girls.

According to your logic, you are allowed to rip off people for any product that are not commodities. This is some seriously flawed logic. The truth is, there is no way to justify your price, so it will eventually lead to flawed reasoning.

I'm not rip off people. I only try to sell MY GAME for the best price i can. retro games doesn't have the prices you like. I won't put the price you like for only make happy the caprice girl who can't live without diamonds

Faltaría ver si el que ha ofrecido 3.000€ los acabaria pagando de verdad o solo quería provar a ver que pasaba

Ya claro; como que no es una oferta en firme pagadera por paypal. Aun así no se si has leido bien; LA HE RECHAZADO. Así que bueno, por menos de 3.500 por ebay no acepto. Por fuera de ebay podría aceptar 3.250 euros si el pago es por paypal amigo. quizas en el futuro hasta lo suba de precio.

[Neoedu]

Tomate una tila colega.

[akirasan]

Veremos si algún tonto se lo paga, y ese será el más tonto del barrio oficialmente. Jugar a los elitistas está feo, y creerse que tienes una joya y que por ello puedas ponerla a un precio imposible solamente denota soberbia.

Obviamente no quiere venderlo, en caso de querer hacerlo haría lo normal, no reirse de la gente. Parece mentira que no le conozcáis, supongo que de pequeño era de los que le ponían un trozo de jamón en el morro a un perro y luego se lo quitaba para comérselo él porque "si quieres lujo págalo" [emoji38]

[Sauron_Areces]

Con lo amigos que éramos después del podcast y ya está liada otra vez

Virtua, déjame comentarte que, como dice Neoedu, comprar o lanzar una oferta por ebay no te obliga a nada, por mucho que ponga en las bases de la web. Nadie puede obligarme en la práctica a hacer una transferencia o a pagar por paypal si no quiero hacerlo. Como mucho ebay me pegaría una colleja en forma de aviso o me chaparía la cuenta si lo realizara en reiteradas ocasiones. No dudo que la oferta que tienes sea seria, porque parece un usuario antiguo y con votos, pero hasta que no te pague no lo puedes dar por vendido.

[Gustav XIII]

When you are crying about the prices you are saying to all the people that you DESIRE, you LOVE and you CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT these games. In one elitist world, like Neo Geo collecting, the buyers are spending a lot of money to have these things which millions of people are DESIRING. The only way to reduce the prices is don't take care about these games. The problem is that you are considering these games like basic products for your life, that's why you are crying and crying. For you, is not enough with the emulator... You NEEDS and DESIRE the original game. And this basic desire is the reason which explain why these games cost a lot of money, because the people can't stop to talk about them, can't stop to desire them, can't stop to convert them in a so important thing that gives the people the need for to sign in a foreing forum to cry about the prices.

This is one wrong assumption: you assume that because I am not happy about the current prices, I lust for those games, which is wrong. I have been buying games for the PC Engine, the Famicom, the Super Famicom, the Neo Geo, the MegaDrive, the Saturn (etc.) since the 90s, so I already own 90% of the games I am interested in. I bought most of my games at the right time, but I still find it sad and silly to see them being sold for hundreds or thousands of dollars (and that includes games I already own). In the early 2000s, the games we are talking about were 10 times cheaper, and I think those times were much more interesting and passionate than the current era. (Although the best era remains the 90s)

We were talking about games and really playing them. Collecting was done naturally in the process, not as a purpose. I have always been buying physical games and enjoying playing them on their original system. I have got no reason to change and switch to emulators. And please stop mentioning emulators by the way. There are other better alternatives such as MVS carts and 161 in 1 carts.

Now, what people are talking about are the condition and the genuinity of the games. They talk about registration cards (seriously, who really cares about registration cards?!), plastic bags for the instruction manual, and thousand of dollars. This is stupid and pretentious. And you are part of this problem. More and more fake carts and converts are being made because of these ridiculous, stupid, and crazy prices.

Another assumption that you make is thinking that people complaining cannot afford the games and lust for them, which is wrong again. Most of us are now in their 30s and have been working for a while. A lot of people COULD pay the crazy prices that are asked for, but being able to afford them does not mean that you will just throw the money out of the window and get ripped off.

Metal Slug X was worth 1000 euros in 2015, and I don't see any reason it should be worth 3000 euros now. All your arguments are just stupid excuses you made up to rip off people.

Gustav, u should recognise that Virtuanestor has the point. One person is willing to pay 3k, thus this Metal Slug is becoming a 3K-tagged game. That's crazy for u and me and perhaps for a lot of people here, but that what market is saying right now, unfortunately.

When the transaction gets completed, I will simply acknowledge its price in the same way I take into account the 1500 to 2500 euros transactions that occured earlier this year. So far, no one has paid for the copy of VirtuaNEStor, and as Neoedu, akirasan, and yourself said, an offer does not necessarily means a payment.

[VirtuaNEStor]

...

Paso de hablarte en inglés por que ya me he aburrido. Ya te he contestado lo suficiente y te has llevado un buen owned de regalo. Mis argumentos no son excusas para estafar a la gente por que basicamente estafar es un delito y estoy lejos de cometerlo; lo unico que hago es intentar vender al precio mas alto posible, sin estafar ni engañar. Lo mas gracioso de todo es que despues del owned que te has comido aun sigas difendiendo que "mientras no se paguen los 3.000 euros yo no me lo creo". Basicamente no se han pagado por que he rechazado la oferta. Quizas en los proximos dias te vayas a comer un owned aun mayor, así que vete preparando.

Aunque en realidad tus comentarios si son una excusa, una excusa para acusarme injustamente de delitos y para echarme la culpa de una especie de conspiración. Una excusa para faltarme al respeto y traer mis ventas a un hilo donde nada tienen que ver. Las ventas de un compañero de foro.

En realidad tus argumentos son ya viejos argumentos que están caducos y pasados de moda. El propio hobby ha evolucionado y los ha superado. Así que revisalos. Ya llevabmos mas de una decada con la tonteria de la especulacion y la burbuja... creo que es hora de evolucionar.

Veremos si algún tonto se lo paga, y ese será el más tonto del barrio oficialmente. Jugar a los elitistas está feo, y creerse que tienes una joya y que por ello puedas ponerla a un precio imposible solamente denota soberbia.

Jugar a que?. Yo tengo un juego y lo vendo al precio que me sale de la polla basicamente. Y si no te gusta... te jodes. Así en resumen.

Se que os ha jodido el owned y no teneis ni pajolera idea de lo que la gente esta dispuesta a pagar por ese juego. Yo si y voy a intentar sacar por el lo máximo posible. Por que es mi juego y no hay mas vueltas que darle. Cuando lo tengais vosotros ya lo pondreís regalado o al precio que os de la gana. Que mania de decirle a la gente a que precio tiene que vender sus juegos. En el podcast me dijiste que 1.000 euros... madre mia menudos consejos que me das; con amigos como tu no necesito enemigos.

De todas formas mucho os da que hablar el Metal Slug X. Claro que es una joya por que es un juego que es increible. Juego que todo el mundo estaría encantado de tener para su AES. Por eso hablais semanas y semanas de él. Por que estais como locos por tenerlo... yo os entiendo; el juego es la poya. A mi tambien me gusta.

[akirasan]

Eso ha sido muy duro
En una cosa te equivocas, yo no quiero tenerlo porque ya lo tengo